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Daytime Confidential: Holiday Blind Items
Topic Started: Dec 19 2014, 10:03 AM (4,200 Views)
Mitchapalooza
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^ My face watching DAYS

Grandpa Hughes
Dec 30 2014, 11:00 PM
I hope that it's Days having the creative side battling the suits and I'm beginning to think it's NBC dragging the show down. So I hope the show wins the battle and can get back to being good.
It is mind blowing that NBC would want the show to seriously be as shitty as it is right now...can they not see how negative the fan reaction is to the show right now?
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lysie


Mitchapalooza
Dec 31 2014, 11:32 AM
granolagirl
Dec 30 2014, 07:38 PM
Mitchapalooza
Dec 30 2014, 03:30 PM
granolagirl
Dec 29 2014, 06:20 PM

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Hmmm I didn't think of her either....and you could be right.

I wonder what she is pissed about though? Surely not the Aiden/Hope pairing....if she is mad that they are making Aiden a villain...then she needs to please take a seat because at the end I am going to need Bo to come back and rescue her from crazy as all fuck Aiden.
Yeah, if it's her, I don't think it's about the pairing. Her Day of Days interviews were so off the wall, I wondered if there was a change in her story and she had some reason to blame Bo/Peter for it. Even something like one of the suits hinting that the audience still wanted Bo and Hope.
She has to be totally dumb as a fucken dump truck to think the fans would want Haiden over Bope...Bo & Hope will always be the fan favorite, not matter how long Peter is gone.
I think there are several actors on the show (or who've been on the show) who don't realize how much their popularity hinges on a pairing.
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Mitchapalooza
Dec 31 2014, 11:33 AM
Grandpa Hughes
Dec 30 2014, 11:00 PM
I hope that it's Days having the creative side battling the suits and I'm beginning to think it's NBC dragging the show down. So I hope the show wins the battle and can get back to being good.
It is mind blowing that NBC would want the show to seriously be as shitty as it is right now...can they not see how negative the fan reaction is to the show right now?
Aren't these the same folks who wanted these shitty writers back in 2012? That's always what I've assumed at least.
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Mason
Dec 31 2014, 12:26 PM
Mitchapalooza
Dec 31 2014, 11:33 AM
Grandpa Hughes
Dec 30 2014, 11:00 PM
I hope that it's Days having the creative side battling the suits and I'm beginning to think it's NBC dragging the show down. So I hope the show wins the battle and can get back to being good.
It is mind blowing that NBC would want the show to seriously be as shitty as it is right now...can they not see how negative the fan reaction is to the show right now?
Aren't these the same folks who wanted these shitty writers back in 2012? That's always what I've assumed at least.
Yep. But there's a relatively large group of people convinced NBC was the one responsible for 2013 (which you and I hated anyway, lol). That's a really dumb assumption, imo, because Sony was clearly calling a lot of shots at that point (waves to Eileen being fired so she could be hired). But regardless, some people think that NBC gave Corday the reigns back after the emmy win and that he's had them ever since. I'm pretty sure it's been mostly NBC for at least the last year. Ali's exit should be proof.
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I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
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thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
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lysie
Jan 2 2015, 09:57 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
But why the back and forth? Do other soaps have that problem, or is it because of the budget/ratings? That makes it super confusing to keep up with who's really in charge of what, and I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the change between 2013 and 2014. Even if every story wasn't good (which I thought most of them were), the day-to-day episodes were still pretty damn entertaining. Mostly everything after February of 2014 has been (for me) completely unwatchable.
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lysie
Jan 2 2015, 09:57 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
Sounds reasonable.

I wonder about 2013 (and end 2012). Kristen's (ED) return was one of the major events/s/l turns on Days (whether we enjoyed it or not, personally, lol) during that period. Was it Sony's idea or was it TomSell vision green lighted by Sony? It looked like the writing team was quite "comfortable" with the idea/vision, at least it didn't went to nowhere IMO. The process as such must have begun before May 2012. When exactly were TomSell hired?

Why the question? What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again. If that was Sony's employees who developed ideas for 2013, they must hire them as HWs. Or is it NBC who interferes and TomSell can't do their job in 2014? And whose idea is that viewers will care about secrets and whatever happened off screen. That seems to be their current "obsession".
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am103
Jan 2 2015, 10:19 AM
lysie
Jan 2 2015, 09:57 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
But why the back and forth? Do other soaps have that problem, or is it because of the budget/ratings? That makes it super confusing to keep up with who's really in charge of what, and I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the change between 2013 and 2014. Even if every story wasn't good (which I thought most of them were), the day-to-day episodes were still pretty damn entertaining. Mostly everything after February of 2014 has been (for me) completely unwatchable.
Other soaps don't have so many entities involved.

It blows my mind that anyone at NBC still thinks they have the ability to make creative decisions, lol.
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thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:00 AM
lysie
Jan 2 2015, 09:57 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
Sounds reasonable.

I wonder about 2013 (and end 2012). Kristen's (ED) return was one of the major events/s/l turns on Days (whether we enjoyed it or not, personally, lol) during that period. Was it Sony's idea or was it TomSell vision green lighted by Sony? It looked like the writing team was quite "comfortable" with the idea/vision, at least it didn't went to nowhere IMO. The process as such must have begun before May 2012. When exactly were TomSell hired?

Why the question? What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again. If that was Sony's employees who developed ideas for 2013, they must hire them as HWs. Or is it NBC who interferes and TomSell can't do their job in 2014? And whose idea is that viewers will care about secrets and whatever happened off screen. That seems to be their current "obsession".
If you look back at the stories in 2013, they were a mess too. There were definitely some good scenes, but the only story part that seemed cohesive was once the rape was revealed, and that only lasted a couple of days before everything fell apart. Everything else was as much of a mess as now. The only real difference was that there appeared to be a plan...but apparently there wasn't.
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thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:00 AM
What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again.
If I'm ever going to be a fan of this show again, I'm going to need better calibre stuff than what we got in 2013 -- Kristen and all. If that's the best they have to offer, then they have no business keeping their jobs.
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Mason
Jan 2 2015, 11:05 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:00 AM
What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again.
If I'm ever going to be a fan of this show again, I'm going to need better calibre stuff than what we got in 2013 -- Kristen and all. If that's the best they have to offer, then they have no business keeping their jobs.
I don't even expect the show in general to be good, I only want it to be watchable. I want to have one single enjoyable s/l or pairing... But there isn't any for me.
And it's getting worse and worse. :( sad.
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thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:28 AM
Mason
Jan 2 2015, 11:05 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:00 AM
What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again.
If I'm ever going to be a fan of this show again, I'm going to need better calibre stuff than what we got in 2013 -- Kristen and all. If that's the best they have to offer, then they have no business keeping their jobs.
I don't even expect the show in general to be good, I only want it to be watchable. I want to have one single enjoyable s/l or pairing... But there isn't any for me.
And it's getting worse and worse. :( sad.
As a soap viewer, I'd prefer not to, but I can handle dumb -- to a certain extent -- as long as, at the very minimum, I'm entertained. (It's how I've managed to keep watching GH the last year or so in spite of its many flaws.) But with DAYS I don't even get that and haven't in a long, long time, so, for me, it's just a failure on every level. The only reason I found DAYS even a little bit watchable in 2013 was because I didn't yet know where they were going to go with Kristen or how badly they were ultimately going to end up writing her (same for Eric/Nicole, even though they weren't the reason I was watching), and the not knowing was just enough to keep me vaguely interested. But they pretty much blew the last thing they had left to suck me in.
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lysie
Jan 2 2015, 11:05 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 11:00 AM
lysie
Jan 2 2015, 09:57 AM
thepadange
Jan 2 2015, 09:39 AM
I can't explain why but I have really hard time imagining high execs at Sony and/or NBC thinking and speaking about storylines, couples or characters on soaps (like let's feature more Daniel and Melanie). Do they watch soaps at all? I thought their most concerns are money/ratings/budgets, major hirings/firings.
But probably it's not the case. As mentioned Sony's active involvement in ED's firing/hiring kinda speaks about their involvement. I have no idea how it works but I kinda imagine writing team (HW's) presenting their visions to the execs and them agreeing or not. But who knows.
I know they make certain demands that are storyline related from time to time. But I don't think they're dictating entire stories. What's most likely is that they want certain actors highlighted and other backburnered, and they may refuse to green light certain stories. They also probably demand specific stunts from time to time (that's something I know they've done). My guess is that when something happens that's just plain bizarre, out of nowhere, doesn't fit what else is happening, and doesn't get immediate follow up...that probably was an exec demand.
Sounds reasonable.

I wonder about 2013 (and end 2012). Kristen's (ED) return was one of the major events/s/l turns on Days (whether we enjoyed it or not, personally, lol) during that period. Was it Sony's idea or was it TomSell vision green lighted by Sony? It looked like the writing team was quite "comfortable" with the idea/vision, at least it didn't went to nowhere IMO. The process as such must have begun before May 2012. When exactly were TomSell hired?

Why the question? What I don't get is if TomSell could write that story why they can't write more stories of the similar caliber involving other characters? What we get in 2014 is not stories, it's people having the same conversations again and again. If that was Sony's employees who developed ideas for 2013, they must hire them as HWs. Or is it NBC who interferes and TomSell can't do their job in 2014? And whose idea is that viewers will care about secrets and whatever happened off screen. That seems to be their current "obsession".
If you look back at the stories in 2013, they were a mess too. There were definitely some good scenes, but the only story part that seemed cohesive was once the rape was revealed, and that only lasted a couple of days before everything fell apart. Everything else was as much of a mess as now. The only real difference was that there appeared to be a plan...but apparently there wasn't.
I agree that there wasn't much cohesion in 2013. And still the show was much more entertaining on a daily basis. And they had some really interesting culminations during Sweeps periods. In 2014 not so much.
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Battle lines are drawn. ok I suppose it's Days they they're talking about, but what does it do ?? given that the suits are just as out of touch as the head writers, I mean come on it's Old geeks who run this show. What this show needs is a fresh new blood among the creative preferably with experience in primetime, stories Need to be more interesting and the characters must be updated to today's tastes, black and white characters are so dull, holier than thou attitude is never appreciation of a character but Days seem to have missed this ???
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They experimented with new blood not that long ago (MarDar), and after that flopped, I'm sure they're hesitant to gamble on that again (and I don't think there's a chance in hell anyone with primetime credentials will be hired).

Obviously, that's all NBC's perspective; I think just about anyone -- new or old -- would be better, at this juncture. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that, though. I think, barring a massive ratings loss, DAYS is stuck with its current idiot writers for a while.
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Jean Passanante is all we'll get.
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